Let the executions begin…

The Supreme Court decision permitting death row executions has spawned a flurry of such executions across the country. Mississippi will execute Dale Leo Bishop on July 23. How do you feel about capital punishment?

Published in: on July 20, 2008 at 8:07 am  Comments (13)  

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  1. It is archaic and cruel. Just like those who commit the crimes. Forgive them for their sins, help them to find salvation, remove them from society.

    I could not ‘pull the switch’ to end another life, regardless of the perceived worth of that life. The issue is can our society keep from anarchy without capital punishment. I think it can.

    Incarcerate them for life, with no chance of parole.

  2. “Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.”
    Genesis 9: 6

    It was with these words that human government was formed.

    St. Paul affirmed this when he penned the following in Romans 13:
    “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers… For rulers are not a terror to good works… But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is a minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.”

    I wish people would not do those things which require a death penalty. It is not like they did not know it was out there. They did what they did in the face of that knowledge and justice demands that they receive their due.

  3. Rev. Dabney, are you suggesting we employ all 613 of the Mosaic codes?

    Shall we also stone non-virgin brides to death-even the ones that were raped (Deuteronomy 22:21)? Shall we regulate how violently a slave owner can act when beating his slave to death(Exodus 21:20-21)? How will PeTA respond to animal sacrifice at the altar(many places in the Pentateuch)? Shall people with a skin disease go before priest instead of Doctors(Leviticus 13)? Should menstruating women take two birds to the temple and have them ritually sacrificed(Leviticus 15:29)? Should barbers be put out of a job(Leviticus 19.27 )? Are women still property to be sold(Exodus 21:7)?

    On the quote from Romans you should note the authority of the government remains only if they are ‘not a terror to good works.’ Any government that oversteps that divine boundary has no divine authority or protection, like our government that has legalized abortion.

    You get my point. If you are going to quote a line from Genesis, and one from Peter, to support your position on capital punishment then clarify which of the other 613 Mosaic laws should be applied today, in America. You should also clarify if our government, that sanctions abortion, has retained it’s divine authority.

    How about we realize those laws were for a time (3400 years ago) in an entirely different culture, society and place. God has given us intellect and reason, why would he not want us to use them?

    Jesus clarified that the old laws were no more. He rebuilt the Temple. When when asked which were the most important of the 10 commandments Jesus said:

    “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” ( Mark 12:30-31).”

    If one follows Jesus how can you justify killing another (even capital punishment) as love? Certainly God is the judge of one who murders, they should be removed from society but isn’t it our job is to love them and forgive them?

    What am I not understanding? You have posted many intelligent and thoughtful things on this forum. Why do you maintain Mosaic Code over the words of Jesus?
    Why do you believe our government still has divine authority?

  4. Just Sayin you have just eloquently explained why I am for getting guns off the streets. Violence begets violence.

  5. While I agree with your point that we should not obey the government when it violates the very law that they are supposed to enforce, I do disagree with you about the nature of government as being devoid of a godly purpose (see Romans 13: 1-3)

    Let me also agree with you, that I too do not endorse the adoption of the entire Mosaic System. Article VII of the Anglican Articles of Religion states in part, “Although the Law given from God by Moses as touching ceremonies and rites, do not bind Christian men, nor the civil precepts thereof ought of necessity to be received in any commonwealth; yet notwithstanding, no Christian man whatsover is free from the obedience of the Commandments which are called Moral.”

    In my limited understanding, that would be the Ten Commandments and its attendant civil precepts. Long ago such was adopted into our law sans the stoning of prodigals and the adulterous, etc. The covenant which God made with Noah in Genesis 9 was merely accentuated by the Law and affirmed in Romans 13.

    I am not averse to what has been adopted by civil government for the maintenance of our society. The death penalty is something which God called for and far be it for me to tell you that he did not mean what he said.

    And Jesus came not to destroy the Law and the prophets but to fulfill them (see St. Matthew 5: 17). Loving one’s neighbor does not mean that we are to sanction murder, rape, robbery and other malicious activities among us. Throughout the New Testament, we find the apostle Paul advising his hearers of the sorts of conduct they were to observe. The whole of the Sermon on the Mount was about what people should do. Needless to say, many do not, will not and cannot in their unregenerate states (not being born again of the Holy Spirit) and so we have St. Paul’s words in Romans 13.

    And I too enjoy your comments as well whether I agree or disagree with them.

  6. Rev. Dabney, once again you have won me with your style and intellect. On this topic we shall have to respectively remain in disagreement.

    Wilisa (that is a beautiful name), the gun is not the violent party.

  7. As I understand it, the towns that have passed laws that require the citizenry to be armed have had reductions in crime. Can anybody verify that?

  8. JS I have to agree with you on that one. It just seems to be an easy solution in too many situations that causes later regret.

  9. I am for the death penalty. It should be a deterrent. Rev. Dabney, I have to agree with you on your point. Those who commit capital crimes, do so knowing the consequences. I have no sympathy for anyone who commits a crime. I wish we had the laws similar to Texas who have an “express lane” on their death row. Why lock them up for life without parole? To have them be a drain on society? We, law abiding citizens, pay for them to have 3 meals a day, cable tv, air conditioning and a roof over their head. There are some law abiding citizens that don’t have that (where is PETA for them?). Why should murderers, rapists, pedophiles and theives have that luxury? I personally feel that prison should be borderline in-humane with a death penalty so no one would want to be there. Maybe that would deter them some.

  10. Boredstiff I agree.

  11. The death penalty is a bad use of public money for a couple of reasons.

    One, it is not a deterrent, the average stay on death row is 14 years, and we hide the act from the public. Back in my grandfathers day they drove a truck with an electric chair on the back to the courthouse and zapped the perp right there in front of anyone that wanted to watch. THAT, my friends, is a deterrent!

    Second reason is it costs too much money. Mississippi is the poorest state in the union, no reason to be spending MILLIONS to go all the way though the process to execute. (Average costs around 6 million) Thats an overage of close to $430,000 per year for each of those average 14 year stays. It would be cheaper, by a long shot, to keep them in a suite at the Ameristar casino and let them eat the buffett every meal, for the rest of there lives.

    Do I support killing killers? You bet, no problem there. But until we can reduce the cost by an order of magnitude, (600,000 vs. 6,000,000) it makes no sense for such a poor state to squander resources in such a wasteful manner.

  12. Jay, I agree that the way the death penalty currently is, that it is not a deterrent. However, instead of housing the criminals in air conditioning with cable TV and executing them a lot quicker then prison alone would be a deterrent.

    Although I hate wasting money as much as anyone else, I do not want to do away with it altogether worries me to the extent that people would look at going to prison as another way to get a free ride more than some already do.

  13. I agree that our prisons are not enough of a deterrent in there own right. Lets hire that guy from phoenix away that has tent city prisons, in PHOENIX, we are talking 115 during the day. No TV, no weight rooms, no porn, limited visits etc. If he can do why can’t Mississippi?

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